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How To Make Melatonin Lotion : A More Efficient Way Of Getting Melatonin Compared To Oral Melatonin And A Surprise Finding

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A major problem I see with oral melatonin is the very poor bioavailability of oral melatonin, thought to be around 3% in humans as discussed here :

bmcpharmacoltoxicol.biomedc....

Here is a relevant study quote :

' The bioavailability of oral melatonin was only 3%, but a considerable variability between the volunteers was noticed. '

The other problem with oral melatonin is that the effects are short lived, lasting only about five hours.

On the other hand, topically applied melatonin lotion accumulates in the many layers of the stratum corneum and is more slowly released into the circulation over a period of approximately 24 hours as discussed here :

researchgate.net/publicatio...

Here is a relevant study quote :

' In a clinical study, the skin penetration properties of melatonin 0.01% in a cream and 0.01 and 0.03% in a solution were investigated by evaluation of the serum melatonin levels over a 24-hour time course in 15 healthy volunteers. Blood samples for melatonin measurements were taken at 9.00 a.m. before applying the test preparations and 1, 4, 8 and 24 h after application. The measurements were carried out by radioimmunoassay for melatonin. In 15 volunteers, the serum levels of melatonin before application of the topical preparations were between 0.6 and 15.9 pg/ml. After application of the 0.01% melatonin cream, there was a steady increase starting from 9.00 a.m. up to a mean serum value of 9.0 pg/ml at 9.00 a.m. the next day. The solution of 0.01% melatonin also showed an increase, starting from 5.00 p.m., up to a mean melatonin level of 12.7 pg/ml 24 h after application. The solution containing 0.03% melatonin resulted in elevated melatonin levels 1 and 8 h after application. The values were 18.1 and 19.0 pg/ml. The cumulative melatonin values for each preparation were 7.1, 8.6 and 15.7 pg/ml, respectively. This study shows that the strongly lipophilic substance melatonin is able to penetrate through the skin and leads to dose- and galenic-dependent melatonin levels in the blood. '

Given the above data, I have been testing topical melatonin lotion (ML) for the past year and a half in myself, family, friends and acquaintances. The results seem to show that ML improves the length of time ML is active in the body, but it also had an effect that I suspected it would, but was not sure that it would. That effect, was pain relief.

In one friend with collorectal cancer that had metastasized to the liver that was testing very high dose oral melatonin at 360 mg/day, melatonin lotion could offer pain relief in the area of the liver that 360 mg of oral melatonin could not.

It is worth mentioning that , in studies, melatonin has shown the ability to help multiple spinal issues which I have not previously discussed on this forum.

WHAT TYPE OF PAIN RELIEF DID MELATONIN LOTION OFFER

The following list of 40 items is what was reported to me by everyone that tested ML.

1. Neck pain from multiple causes.

2. Lower back pain.

3. Shoulder pain.

4. Migraine headache relief.

5. Head and neck pain relief from a neck injury after falling backward onto the rim of a plastic bucket.

6. Eczema of the scalp.

7. Scalp pain.

8. Completely relieved jaw pain from two jaw fractures and helped to get to sleep. Based on studies may also help the fractures to heal faster.

9. Synergy pain relief with the Hyaluronic Acid / Stopain remedy for degenerative disc disease (DDD) which I have not discussed on this forum.

10. Headache relief

11. Muscle pain

12. Eliminated nerve tingling in feet caused by stage IV cancer with Lepto Menengeal.

13. Ankle pain

14. Knee pain

15. Swelling of the neck caused by injury

16. Calf pain of unknown cause

17. Nerve pain

18. Hand and finger pain

19. Back pain that required a cane to walk was relieved enough that no cane was needed after regular twice daily applications.

20. Relieved sciatic nerve pain

21. Relieved thyroiditis and swelling with pain + sore throat pain that made even swallowing saliva very painful and of unknown origin and eliminated it in about a week eliminating the need for further application of melatonin lotion to the area. My friend thought it might have been caused by a recent endoscopy.

22. Relieved hip pain

23. Relieved bulging disc pain

24. Relieved Atopic Dermatitis

25. Stomach discomfort relief after applying to the surface of the stomach.

26 Relieved thumb joint pain

27. Helped a person to alleviate pain and muscle tension prior to her chiropractic appointment allowing her chiropractor to make what they both described as very good adjustments to her spine, which he had previously been unable to do because of muscle stiffness caused by the pain.

28. Helped two people with arthritic hand pain, one that was unresponsive to Borax and one that was only minimally responsive to Borax.

29. Helped a person with pain from liver cancer in the area of the liver to temporarily effectively relieve the recurring pain.

30. Helped a friend to sleep well when applied in the early evening.

31. Relieved pain in sore toes

32. Stiffness and discomfort of the hands without pain present was eliminated.

33. Improves wound healing.

34. Adds to the effectiveness of certain topical psoriasis medications.

35. Relieved toe cramps.

36. Alleviates spinal stenosis pain.

37. Much more effective pain relief than 360 mg of oral melatonin per day.

38. The very significant pain relief in multiple areas of the body caused high blood pressure to decrease, allowing for a halving of the hypertension medication dose by one friend.

39. Reduced the swelling of swollen arthritic finger joints.

40. Healed trigger finger in four days for one tester.

It is worth mentioning that the people who tested ML generally felt that ML had a cumulative effect for the first 2 to 3 weeks. In other words, pain relief seemed to increase for the first 2 to 3 weeks of regular use. At 2 to 3 weeks, the benefit was generally more than it was on the first 3 days of regular use.

WHAT IS MISSING

Only one person with PD tested the lotion, but they weren't testing it for the type of pain often seen in PD, so I have no idea if it will help with that type of pain, but I am doubtful if it would because that type of pain seems to be tied to the various medications used to treat PD.

HOW I MAKE MELATONIN LOTION

Gather The Ingredients

1. Melatonin bulk powder - 1/4 level full measuring spoon (This is roughly 750 mg)

2. Cetaphil Lotion - 1.5 ounces

3. Gin - 1.5 ounces

4. Three ounce bottle

I Add the melatonin powder to the bottle and then I add the 1.5 ounces of gin to the bottle. Replace the cap and shake the bottle until the melatonin powder is fully dissolved in the gin. It is important to dissolve the melatonin in the gin before adding the lotion in order to fully dissolve the melatonin. Now top the 3 ounce bottle off with Cetaphil lotion and shake very well. I often use this mix right after making it. I apply this lotion SPARINGLY up to twice a day.

SIDE EFFECTS

A couple of people who tested this lotion said that if they applied too much lotion or too often, it could make them feel tired, but if they applied in the later afternoon and before bed it wasn't bad. As with oral melatonin, some people are more sensitive to feeling tired and it seems that ML may have similar effects. Applying sparingly also helped prevent tiredness.

WARNING

Please get your doctor's approval and supervision before testing this lotion and to make sure it will be compatible with all medications you are taking, as melatonin has shown not to be compatible with certain medications.

WHAT I USED

Melatonin bulk powder :

amazon.com/BulkSupplements-...

Gin - Small bottle

I used a large bottle (750 ml) because I was doing a lot of testing.

Cetaphil Lotion :

amazon.com/Cetaphil-16oz-Cr...

I tried a couple of other lotions and they worked fine. Vodka did not seem to be as good as gin for dissolving the melatonin.

Art

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Sydney75

Interesting! My HWP also has RLS and melatonin aggravates his RLS. This slow absorption method might be worth a try. Did the folks using the ML for pain apply it to the specific areas of their body where they had pain?

Thanks,

-Syd

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chartist in reply to Sydney75

Yes, for the main part except possibly in the case of certain nerve issues where application to the spine seemed more effective.

Art

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park_bear

This might avoid that awful melatonin induced diarrhea that some are afflicted by.

healingwell.com/community/d...

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chartist in reply to park_bear

Yes, it should avoid that problem since little of the melatonin will reach the digestive system, but will definitely make it into the blood circulation and the brain since it easily crosses the blood brain barrier.

Art

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MarionP in reply to park_bear

I wonder if it's the melatonin or what else they pack into the pills. Meanwhile this whole idea solves the riddle I have always had which is when you take two or three or five melatonin for sleep, who in the world and how in the world can they tolerate claiming they're doing well taking it better taking 50 60 80 mg who in the world could tolerate that? 3% bioavailability sure answers that one, finally.

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LAJ12345

wow, interesting. I tend to break open a melatonin capsule and sprinkle under my tongue. It does send me to sleep quickly but I often do wake about 5 hours later

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TracyLaine in reply to LAJ12345

Hi! There are some extended release melatonin formulas that might be helpful for you!

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LAJ12345 in reply to TracyLaine

I have tried one but we are quite restricted in NZ and can’t buy over the counter and have to get prescription to be allowed to import it. I used to be able to get the dual spectrum nature bounty but last time I tried to buy it none of the ones that would sell to NZ had it so I ended up with 10mg caps from them. 10 mg is too much and gives me psychedelic dreams so I started just taking a sprinkle and that worked so one cap lasts me about 4 days.

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chartist in reply to LAJ12345

What I found interesting was the pain relieving effects of the lotion, which even 360 mg of oral melatonin could not offer.

Art

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LAJ12345 in reply to chartist

Yes, it is interesting.

at this stage he doesn’t have pain thank goodness.

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Smittybear7 in reply to chartist

Where can you buy this and how much can you safely use? Is there anyone that shouldn’t use it? Thanks for sharing.

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chartist in reply to Smittybear7

I included instructions on how to make ML, but I also included this safety warning :

' Please get your doctor's approval and supervision before testing this lotion and to make sure it will be compatible with all medications you are takin, as melatonin has shown not to be compatible with certain medications. '

Art

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Fascinating. Can you translate "sparingly" into a measurement? Would you start with 1/4 teaspoon, 1/2 teaspoon? Thanks for sharing your research!

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chartist in reply to 1LittleWillow

This is how my friends who tested ML described sparingly :

Take an approximate pea sized amount of lotion and apply to the back of the neck from just below the shoulder line up to the top of the neck. Note that the top of the neck is above the hairline, all the way to the base of the skull. Several people mentioned to me that applying all the way up to the base of the skull offered more pain relief than just going to the hairline. They said that once you did this, you will "have a feel" for applying sparingly.

Some people, such as myself, have a high tolerance for melatonin and can apply as much and as often as I want.

In testing ML, I found that substituting Aloe Vera gel for the Cetaphil lotion allows application to the face and close proximity to the eyes without eye irritation. Why would you do this? Because both aloe vera gel and melatonin are good for the skin and will offer protective effects to the facial skin. If you try doing this with the lotion mix, it will be irritating to the eyes. The gel caused little if any irritation to the eyes.

Art

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1LittleWillow in reply to chartist

Very helpful, thanks! I am absolutely going to try this. I've wanted to take melatonin anyway, but at oral doses above 5 mg, it makes me restless at night. I have a back pain issue that started about 10 years before my PD diagnosis. It's probably PD-related (can't identify any structural or nerve issues), and it's the bane of my existence. Currently, it limits me much more than my Parkinson's.

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MarionP

Fascinating incredibly great idea

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chartist in reply to MarionP

Thank you for saying so!

I am really interested in whether it can help with the PD pain that many forum members have mentioned that occurs when transitioning from on time to off time as the medications are wearing off. If it does, that could be quite useful on this forum. In any case, it seems like a good and effective option for getting melatonin.

Art

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MarionP in reply to chartist

Meanwhile this whole idea solves the riddle I have always had which is when you take two or three or five mg melatonin for sleep, who in the world and how in the world can they tolerate claiming they're doing well taking it better taking oral 50 60 80 100mg who in the world could tolerate that? 3% bioavailability sure answers that one, finally.

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chartist in reply to MarionP

Well, I was at 132 mg/day and since adding ML to my regimen, I have reduced my dose of oral melatonin to 60 mg/day to maintain my melatonin gut level since it is thought that normal melatonin gut level is second only to mitochondrial melatonin level.

Art

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gomelgo in reply to chartist

What is the reasoning for the gin?

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chartist in reply to gomelgo

In order for the topical melatonin to work, it has to be dissolved and the gin dissolves melatonin. That is the reason why you can not add the lotion until you first dissolve the melatonin in the gin. Once the melatonin is fully dissolved in the gin, then you add the lotion. If you try to mix all three at the same time, the mix will be too weak to be fully effective.

Art

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DaisyMakepiece

You are brilliant. Thank you so much. I'm going to make some as soon as I get the ingredients. Very hopeful I can help friends who experience a lot of pain, and maybe myself, who experiences a little. Plus my face could always look better.

Art, you're the best.

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chartist in reply to DaisyMakepiece

If you do end up testing ML for yourself and your friends, please come back and give feedback on your results, positive or negative.

Art

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Jstover

I’m sorry are you saying 1/4 of a teaspoon of the melatonin?

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chartist in reply to Jstover

Yes, 1/4 level full measuring teaspoon .

Art

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Lizzy9

Thank you Art for all this wonderful information, your research, your testing, sharing this, and your time!!

I ordered the melatonin and lotion this morning and will mix it up as soon as I get it. My HwP has excruciating back pain which is from working hard and playing hard his whole life and I suppose, now, increased from PD. I am hoping this will help him tremendously!!

After looking over your list of what it can help I will be smearing the stuff on many places on both of us. I am very excitedly hopeful for great results. We’ll apply it at night just in case we get too sleepy from it!!

Thank you, again, for so much information!!

Have a fabulous week!

Gail

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chartist in reply to Lizzy9

Most of the people who tested ML told me that they felt that ML started out slow and had a cumulative effect over the first two to three weeks.

Art

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Lizzy9 in reply to chartist

Thank you. I will start it slowly then and monitor the effects.

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chartist in reply to Lizzy9

Please come back to this thread and let us know how it works for you.

Art

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Lizzy9 in reply to chartist

Yes, I will.

Thank you!!

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Topical melatonin, beyond its more efficient absorption and pain relieving effects is also a potent skin protectant as described in the following link :

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Here is a relevant quote from the review article :

' In our view, endogenous intracutaneous melatonin production, together with topically-applied exogenous melatonin and its metabolites, represent two of the most potent defense systems against external damage to the skin. '

Interestingly, melatonin in the blood, has very limited potential to reach the skin, but melatonin absorbed from the skin can readily reach the blood.

Art

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alexask

Brilliant. Sadly we can't get bulk powder here. Would crushing up some 12 mg tablets be any good?

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JayPwP in reply to alexask

Bulk Supplements not available there?

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alexask in reply to JayPwP

Not in the UK. Banned probably because the government doesn't want people to live too long.

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😜😜😜

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Lizzy9 in reply to alexask

I imagine there would be fillers in pills. Any chance of finding pills without fillers or at least minimal fillers?

I agree ~ the government (US) does not want us to live!😱😱

Have a fabulous day (anyway & keep on trying don’t give up)!!!

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chartist in reply to alexask

If you are in the UK, I suggested a UK supplier of bulk melatonin to a forum member and they said they were able to order the powder from them with reasonably quick shipping and they said it worked for 3 different issues once they made the lotion. Here is the link :

rawpowders.co.uk/melatonin-...

It took quite awhile to load, but it does load.

Art

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alexask in reply to chartist

Wow fantastic!

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MBAnderson

Art,

I have 2 questions, tho.

1. How in the world do you figure this stuff out?

2. Excuse my ignorance, but since a picogram (pg/ml) is one-trillionth of a gram, why isn't 3% that is normally absorbed of say, 360 mg, - more?

Marc

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chartist in reply to MBAnderson

Hi Marc,

I have always felt that oral melatonin was a very poor way to deliver melatonin and that is why I have always looked for a better way to deliver melatonin where we could get more benefit from it. Then I came across the study describing the absorption of melatonin through the skin and have been testing that method for about 1.5 years now and finally felt comfortable with posting that information on this forum after that testing. Having melatonin active in your system all the time is much more beneficial than just a 5 hour useful window that oral melatonin offers.

The actual absorption rate of melatonin varies by individual, but the point being that oral melatonin is very poorly absorbed and in some people at a rate even lower than 3% . I don't know what measure of picograms of melatonin in the blood that the 360 mg oral dose achieves in humans because there are no studies that I am aware of that define that number at that dose, but it may still be 3% or thereabouts , but not enough to surpass the local tissue level that ML easily reaches. I do know that melatonin lotion can reach very significantly higher local tissue levels before it moves on to the blood stream though. The other consideration is that an even higher oral dose such as 360 mg may have an even poorer percentage absorption rate than a lower dose. With only a 5 hour window of opportunity for oral melatonin to perform in humans, this is another significant obstruction to oral melatonin usefulness. I think the majority of oral melatonin does its work in the gut microbiome and that is why I still take oral melatonin as well as topical melatonin.

Topically applied melatonin accumulates in the layers of the stratum corneum where it is released over an approximate 24 hour period, somewhat like a patch. Based on what I have read in the literature, I feel that oral melatonin does its major work in the gut, while topically applied melatonin does its main work in the skin and then moves onto the blood circulation and ultimately the brain since melatonin readily crosses the blood brain barrier (BBB). If melatonin crosses the BBB and it does, then that means it very likely gets into the cerebral spinal fluid (CSF), which would be very important for PwP, as melatonin in CSF is protective of the brain. PwP are thought to have lower melatonin level in the CSF. Topical melatonin also avoids the first pass loss and gut microbiome loss. The combination of delivery methods seems better than either one alone. The pain relieving effects are just a bonus.

Art

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MBAnderson in reply to chartist

Thank you, Art.

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In symptom # 4, a friend told me that melatonin lotion alleviated their migraine headaches faster than anything else they had tried and also mentioned their migraines used to last a week, but now are over in less than a day with very reduced symptoms during that initial period. This new (May, 2024) randomized, placebo controlled trial (RCT) adds further confirmation to the idea that melatonin significantly relieves migraine headaches with a very good safety profile :

ijms.sums.ac.ir/article_496...

Here is relevant quote from the RCT :

' Our study shows that melatonin was more efficacious than the placebo in the reduction of frequency and duration of migraine attacks. It was equally safe as the placebo and might be effective in the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. '

Art